Please put your soap-box away! Your facts here are inaccurate. This wasn't driven by the SNP. It was driven by Westminster budget cuts. The bill (which affects the Fire Service also) was overwhelmingly approved by MSPs of ALL parties, 93 votes to five, with 13 abstentions.
Economic rationalism is anti humanity, culture and life in general. These decisions are being made by bean-counting ladder climbers who are all just passing through on a charter of career goals. As for the back and forth between Colin and co, I think both arguments have merit but Colin is probably more correct. My own view is that people voted with their feet and no-one wanted to step into the breach and salvage a band (one that was there already and just needing some leadership and team spirit). The 'we did everything we could' explanations don't wash with me. Sounds like there wasn't enough belief and commitment to carry on. The contemporary practice seems to be to go running to an established band and suckle on the teat, rather than rebuild and do the hard slog. 'Hard slog' to rebuild a band in downtown Edinburgh...? I can hear people from all over the globe having a chuckle at that line. I can say this because I did play a part in starting a band in a place far less fruitful than Scotland. One that is still going well despite all the detractors and decrepit local scene. "Lothian and Borders Pipe Band" - just remove the "Police" and start fundraising! In fact, if the band is being wound-up, there is probably a chance to buy the gear at a depreciated price and carry on. I'm sure Boghall don't need any more players! Lord knows there are too few Gr1 bands in the world as it is.
Published: December 02, 2012 Author: iainmacdonald
Sad to think that the band will be gone, and hopefully someone will take up the challenge of the "Lothian & Borders Pipe Band," or something, to make a Grade 1 band in Edinburgh. Like Jim, I played the Edinburgh City Police albums endlessly, and it was the "Champions of the World" album that got me thinking about playing with Iain McLeod's BCal/Renfrew/Babcock-Renfrew bands. It is a real challenge to "build" a Grade 1 pipe band these days, and will take a special leadership to make it happen. Hopefully, someone will step forward to continue the tradition in that region.
Published: December 02, 2012 Author: ColinMacLellan
Yes, che2 (whoever you are) walking away from a band is fine, but perhaps voting to cease its very existence is something different - and while I feel I have done my bit in the past having served the Band for 5 years as its Pipe Major, I would not be averse to putting my weight behind the wheel so to speak if indeed an opportunity to have it continue in some form were to arise.
Published: December 02, 2012 Author: JimMcGillivray
Hey, call me an old-timer, but I never got over the name change from Edinburgh Police. It was never the same after that for me and I suppose the long-term handwriting was on the wall even then. I listened to their vinyl recordings endlessly in the 1970s as a teenager. Enjoy the former Glasgow Police while we still have them....
no-one takes a decision like this lightly, but at the same time no-one in the band should feel that they have to carry the responsibility for the bands future on their shoulders, and should feel guilt free if they want to walk away.
colin, no-one likes to see any band folding, but if yourself or any the other naysayers care so strongly, then there is plenty of time still for you to capture the players and keep some incarnation of the band going as you suggest.
Published: December 01, 2012 Author: herecomethedrums
I'm close to getting on my soap box, but for now, I'll make do with a sarcastic slow clap for all those SNP voters who put that bunch of idiots in charge. Now there are daft decisions that effect everything, right down to the pipe bands. Before there was competition between forces, there was pride from the individual areas...now what? One force, then they'll trim that down. Wake up, this was politics at its foulest. It has been coming for ages. Expect to loose much more history - these people don't care about culture or history...just a bank balance, which makes for a mighty dull country.
Published: December 01, 2012 Author: uilleannonlooker
I am obviously missing something here, and ever cynical, as the story makes no sense. Why would people decide to wind up a band when it looks enivatable that it was going to be wound up when the police forces merge in April anyway. Even if the band just announced they could not compete next year, if the bands are allowed a final season under their regions names, so be it, (but I doubt it)
Alas, this follows in the footsteps of another Grade 1 Edinburgh Police Pipe Band. In the late 1950s and early 1960s the Edinburgh Special Constabulary Pipe Band (the part-time polis) was very successful winning prizes at the major championships.
Published: December 01, 2012 Author: ColinMacLellan
Gordon – It’s not hard to imagine that the band could have undergone a re-branding as a continuing entity if the willingness and ambition had existed for it to do so – it’s not as if the amalgamation has been sudden or unexpected news. It would not be difficult to adjust the name to something such as “The Lothian and Borders Pipe Band”, and continue as the Capital’s first and most important Grade One pipe band. Maybe this allied to a decent teaching programme would ensure that the future remains as productive as it has been in the past. The company may change, and the band might have a slightly different name and look, but tradition and history would continue as before. It would operate of course then as most other pipe bands do, as financially self - sufficient and relying on its own efforts in organisation, finance, and promotion. Why not?
Colin - Yes I was a civilian but strongly object to you suggesting I and others like us broke up the band because as you say it wasn't going well. We all tried our very best over the last few years and in my opinion did a good job in improving the band. I and my fellow civilians gave our time willing and free of charge and in fact it cost most of us a lot of money to continue with the band. (As it does almost all pipers and drummers in all bands). We did all think it was worth putting up a fight not just a bit of a fight and did so to the best of our ability. Unfortunately on this occasion that has not been enough sufficient. I do though resent the implication that we did not try or care. Gordon Stafford
Published: November 30, 2012 Author: mickcmackwhak
"Sad Day" - not particulary - with the merging of police forces this would no doubt have happened in time - how can you grieve over the loss of this under achieving band who drained public resources and did little to promote the force out-with the City of Edinburgh, when support staff's livelyhoods are under threat.
This band has, for many years, in my opinion, suffered from bad management and over inflated egos (both from within and with-out the police force) and on several occasions some how managed to wrigle out of demotion to grade 2.
Their passing is no sadder than the loss of others such as Muirhead and Sons, Polkemmet, Red Hackle etc etc etc.
What is sad, however, is the fact that Scotland's capital city now has no grade 1 pipe band, perhaps if some of the aforementioned "super stars" had put a little back into the pipe band world things may have been different.
Some times in life you really do reap what you sew!
How convenient is this for the Lothian and Borders Police Force .....you get a group of people who are almost exclusively civilians breaking up one of the most storied Pipe Bands in history just because it isn't going so well.
Then you issue a statement making sure that the public know "it wisnae us!" - thus when the Forces are amalgamated next year you rid yourself of any responsibility for delivering the sad and final coup de gras.
I hope the other Force Pipe Bands do not acquiese so meekly. Hopefully they may think their Bands are worth putting up a bit of a fight for, even though the odds of succes may not ultimately be that great.
I'm very sad to hear it is the end of a famous pipe band who have made an enormous contribution over their history to the development of pipe bands. With my principal teacher being former long time member and Pipe Major, George Lumsden, I appreciate how many great players and characters kept this band alive and successful through it's history. Let's not let the desire to win competitions continue to have a detrimental effect on the amount of pipe bands competing.
It's hard to comprehend a pipe band world without this particular band in it. With the mooted changes at least in the Scottish Police, this is likely not to be the first big name to 'fall' if true.
- Stephen Matthews
Pipers: The golden rule when working with a reed is, "You can always take material off the cane, but you cannot put it back." So, remember, when removing the slightest amount of material, blow the reed again.